But whats the negative side? My understanding is you see not the positive side of materialism but the negative side. Im happy to concede that there is a positive way of looking at something and a negative way of looking at something. The negative side is that the naturalistic viewpoint leaves the way open for a kind of freedom from more info divine authority, a kind of moral anarchy. Is this a motivation for what you do? It is a motivation, and i dont think that theres anything wrong with that. I was an agnostic from the time i was a junior high school student up until my very late 30s. I had the kind of upbringing that is most likely to produce agnostics, a conventional kind of church-going requirement that never became real to me. I went to sunday school because in those days mothers thought that was a good thing for their children on sunday morning, and [on the way my mother] dropped my father off at the golf course.